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So this is a kind of different. Different teaching from me, in a sense. It's more scholarly, innocence. It's much less Callaway. It's going to be mainly questions. It's going to leave questions in your mind. I think and I hope it does what is Messianic expectation. Anyway years ago, I was preaching at a feast and I said, if you don't have Messianic expectation, you've got to get some. And a lot of people said, amen. And yeah, you know, you you hit it that you hit the nail on the head and things like that. And some other people said, well, that depends on what you mean. And I said, what do you mean, what? I mean. And they said You can have the wrong kind of Messianic expectation. And that's kind of stayed with me for a long time and Christians have Messianic expectation. But is it, is it, is it the right? Messianic expectation, or are we expecting something from God?

With our own idea of what he's going to do. And we often do that and it's okay, but I think it's worth considering so Lord. We ask your blessing on. On this time.

We Three Brothers lost three. Oh, yeah. What's my reference? The Holy Bible? Etc, etc. Etc. That's our references for today and you'll get lots of references. Welcome. The Church of the Messiah.

Are named adults hamashiach, the, the single witnessing body of the anointed Christ, the anointed one of God, the Messiah. Messiah. Welcome Church Messiah. We're in the season of Resurrection. I would be remiss to not. Say he has risen.

Hallelujah. So so which is correct? He has risen or he is risen. What did the early church say?

Both. There's actually instances of the early church Proclamation. He has risen, it's a historical fact, but they also said he is risen.

He is risen indeed, but we're going to change that today. He is risen. In us. Can you say that he is risen in US? You can say he is risen in me. That's fine too. He is risen in US.

Few weeks ago. I did a teaching on first fruits, and I made the point that

First fruits is about Resurrection Life and we are living in Resurrection Life. He has risen in us. He is in us and he is operating in US. We're living in the resurrection. We're living in the resurrection. Yes, there's much more to come as Dwight used to say but it has already happened. Praise the Lord, amen. And after the crucifixion and Resurrection. Actually said this before, Jesus said this before, he told the disciples exactly what he was going to do to Kyle Todd on this last week, I believe or maybe two weeks ago. And Kyle said the thing that the disciples had to do was what

they had to put down their expectations of what God was going to do, what Jesus was going to do. They wanted him to be the Conquering King, get it over with move on with the program. But that wasn't what he was going to do. Any said and calmly this point. He told them exactly what was going to happen and they weren't they could not have been that stupid to not know what he said. Call use the word dick. They they're worth like they weren't such dolts. I think is the exact word that he used. They had to sit down and what the expected he would be doing because he had something else to do and he'd already told them, but after I am raised up, I will go before you to the Galilee. So if he's going before them, what's the Assumption? He's going to be there and what's going to happen. They're going to follow their going to meet him in the Galilee. So if I'd given that sermon, that Kyle gave a few weeks ago in the let's eat fruit series that I was kind of doing back a couple weeks ago. I would have said let's eat.

I'll see you in the Galilee. I believe this is a picture of a best day to overlooking. The Dig lift are Kyle and then others have been part of if it isn't. It's in the general vicinity thereof. So we've actually Church. The Messiah has actually been in this exact area where maybe Jesus went to meet with the disciples on the mountain, which could have been the mountain of the attitudes which is right. Right here in the, in the in the view of this picture. After I raised up, I will go before you to Galilee, put down your expectations of what Jesus is doing. I'm introduced the song by the calendar Years. Also, a few weeks ago, when he comes we will know. And he'll and he'll come not in ways we assume. We think we know he's out, he's going to come but you know, if he comes a different way, it's okay. But for now, we hope for soon. We hope he's coming soon. Amen. But he's already here.

So, he has come. In ways that we didn't assume, we didn't expect his presence in US. That's a radical new thing. But for now, we hope for soon. When he comes, we will know and he'll come not in ways. We assume let's put down their expectations. I've had disagreements conversations with the good Christian friends, who believe that the, that the Rapture we're going to be lifted up in the air, and we're going to be taken to heaven. And my own personal view based on some readings of the early church fathers is that we're going to be lifted up in the air and take it into Jerusalem. and I'm I tell my friends when we're in this kind of disagreement. You know what? I don't know what's going to happen.

And maybe you don't know fully what's going to happen either. So let's just say, if you hear the horn just go. I'll meet you there and we'll figure it out from there. What's happening? What he has in mind. He may have something more in mind than we can ask or imagine. Amen. So when we're talking about expectations, we have to ask ourselves. Are we talkin about the expectations? We have of God. Of his son, Jesus? Or are we talkin about the expectations? We have of God. Actors in our lives. And I think if we're missing that last part, we're missing the point. He has come, he is in us. He's living. That said, now we're going to go back and look at kind of the history of Messianic expectation throughout throughout the Bible actually. So, overview, introductory questions. Do we have any X? Any expectations, any Messianic expectations? Raise your hand? Oh, some don't have any, huh? No, Doug, raise your hand. I know you.

You might not but I know Doug does. How do we have Messianic expectations? We just get the good idea that, you know, God's going to send a messiah or did we get it from somewhere else? Where do we get it from?

Huh? We got it from scripture. That's one place. Correct? Absolutely, right? It's right there. In scripture. We got it from our culture that we that we live in. We we got it from the books. We've read. We got it from Milton. We got it from Dante and we got it. We got it from lots of different people who written a lot of different things. What are our expectations? Anyone? What's our expectation of asiah anyone? He will return When.

On the last day, okay.

Good answer.

A world without suffering. He's going to take away all the garbage going to sweep it away like a broom. Anyone else. Going to make all things, right? Justice and mercy somehow mixed together. He's going to make us, right? We're going to be renewed. We're going to have clean hearts and write spirits.

Has he done that already?

It's yes, he has done it already, but it's a process. Would we have had our same expectation in another time if we were Adam and Eve? And I God was reciting this verse about the, the snake, or the serpent or the whatever it is. You will bite his heel, The Offspring of Eve, but he will crush your head. So that's a Messianic expectation, very early in the scriptures. And what was her expectation Eaves?

That her immediate child would be the anointed one. Not necessarily anointed. That would crush. The Serpent's head with would end evil Temptation in the sense might have been her expectation. It might not have been her immediate child. It may have been that she understood some Offspring somewhere down. The way would would end evil so she had an expectation, but she didn't necessarily connected with God other than the promise of God and when God touches something

He doesn't ever let go.

It's, it's a, it's a one. He's touch you, you know, you've been touched when you've experienced it, you know, you've experienced it and you'll never be the same. You can say, you're not the same, you're the same. But if you really dug deeply into your spirit, you know, no you're not. You're really not. You know, I'm really not the same God has touched you, it's Eternal. It's an eternal thing. He doesn't let go. First, uses of Messiah. We're going to be talking about those words and ideas public recitation of the of the scriptures. This is one of the ways that we got Messianic expectation. Terry mentioned that comes from scripture, Messianic ideas expanded as you study scripture, your Xpectations expand, because scripture feeds on itself and supplements itself and and and and enhances itself to the point that it almost explodes. And that's what we're kind of celebrating here at church. The Messiah every week, and then there's the idea of progressive revelation. The idea of progressive Revelations kind of a hard one to grasp. God gave us the truth, when he spoke to Eve, and he gave us the truth. When he gave his Torah at Sinai and he gave us the truth and Jesus teaching in the Beatitudes and he gave us the truth and so on and so forth and he'll continue giving us the truth and it isn't that he didn't tell us the whole truth ever. He always has told us the whole truth but he's given us the truth in a way we could absorb it and hear it and learn from it. It's Progressive. It's not, it's not different, it builds on itself. Where do we get this word Messiah? It's got it from their word. Anoint, Michelle smear with the liquid. So, if I had some oil up here today, I'm I put someone on my hands and I would do this and I would be annoying myself. And once I've annoyed myself, I would be a messiah. I'd be an anointed one. One who's got liquid smeared on them. When I pray for you with and I put oil on your head, I anoint you and every time I do that, it's with the idea that I'm annoying you because we are anointed and God's anointing and can somehow flow through us and, and go on. And so Messiah meshiaak, you can see anointed one Messiah up there and there are only two other three other words. Michelle K. I can't pronounce it. And then the two words I did know these. A 2 degrees or anoint with the Greaser or anointing oil or the balm of Gilead or something else and to annoy the corpse at their different words. So, we're leaning on the Messiah 1, first uses. So it's good, principal and Christian and Jewish tradition to go back to the first use of the word. It's important to consider the first few already talked about. God told the serpent. I'll put enmity between you at cetera and this is a promise of future judgment against our enemies. I've already said that there's a reference anointing. This is the first instance of anointing in the Bible. Jacob had spent the night and he laid down on the threshing floor, apparently, a stone and he picked a particular Stone. You put it under his head and the morning. He woke up and knew this was the house of God because God had put a ladder down and angels of sin. Descended on this ladder Jacob's Ladder. And he said, truly, this is the house of God. And so he set up a pillar and anointed it with oil poured oil on. It wasn't a good idea that Jacob anointed the house of God. I think so. He knew it was holy. How does grease make something? Holy?

I don't know. It's a Biblical ancient tradition. I'm okay with it.

The Bible says, if you're sick, ask the elders to anoint Etc, and we do. So he anointed the place and called it that they'll the house of God made a vow when I've corrected this cuz it's not if it's not conditional. When God is with me and keeps me giving me bread and clothing, so that I return to my father's house bass, Shalom. So he actually uses the word when I return shoe base, shalom.

He doesn't know how he's going to live because his brother wants him dead, and he's fled for his life and he's fled to get a wife and he's a long way from home and he doesn't know how he's ever going to get back. But he's confident think he's confident that God is with him because God has said that. And he's confident. God will restore him to his father's house completely whole not lacking in any way. They Shalom. When I get back to my father's house in, perfect, peace and complete, peace base, Shalom, then I will build a house.

And I'll give a full tenth. To God of all you give me the house of God was anointed Genesis 28. The next instance of anointed in the Bible isn't what I thought it would be. It's when the anointed priest Sims. Okay. The anointed one we want to say, doesn't send. We even want to say, can't then, but the Bible says, we're in the anointed priest sins. This is what he will do. Should do Hill, sprinkle blood before the veil put it on the horns of the incense altar poured out of the base of the Bernal of offer. He'll take the fat kid needs skin flush, head legs, in trolls, dong answer, everything burned. It a clean place outside the camp. Where's the clean? Place outside the camp. I find this very interesting. What's the a sheep? Is? That the garbage dump? No. No, this is a clean place outside the camp. What's the clean? Place outside the campus and a sheep?

Every day, the priest. Which shovel up the ashes from the previous day and take them outside the camp, and put them in a clean place. So this burnt offering is lifted up the God on top of the clean place, which is the place where all the ashes of all the sacrifices, are piled up. I love that. I love that. I think it's a really appropriate do when he sends he's going to do this, and when the nation since it's not just him Sonia, could be the whole nation. He does the same thing. And this priest is called, she r, The Messiah. Just has one more set of words on the front of it. I called him, She the priest, the Messiah. Interesting anointed, king anointed priest. Anointed king. If you think about what were the interpretations of the Jews about, who was the Messiah? We have all kinds of traditions about the anointed priest, the anointed king the suffering servant. We got all kinds of ideas and I'm not going to get into all those today unless it comes up as a question. Anointed king. When Israel would put a king over them. And God isn't saying, I want you to put a king over. You didn't know he's the king, God's the king, but is real. He knew would want to put a king over themselves and he said, when you do that, it's okay. It's okay. You can do that, but you got to do it with my rules. You got to do with one that I choose. And he has to be among your brethren and Israeli. He cannot be from another tribe. It has to be in this family. The king that I will anoint. So the King was in, this is the same. Verse was, was instructed to copy the Torah to read every day. There's no King even in place yet, but he's got a commandment of God to copy and read the Torah every day. God's is God's instruction. Leviticus. No, Deuteronomy 17. So then we have. So who was the anointed king? First one saw.

Anointed king Samuel anointed Saul as king over Israel. First Samuel, 9 and 10 the anointed king in the entire body. Saul.

Who calls him that? David. David recognizes the importance of the anointing. Yes, our understanding of David is he is the anointed king, but he's the one in the Bible who calls solve the anointed king more than he is called the anointed king in the Bible. And then David is in order to be king. So that that's a little bit of a different understanding of the word Messiah. Then I had where I think maybe you have so those are first uses public recitation. Where did we get the idea that we have a messiah savior? Well, God said the read the Torah. God said to read Deuteronomy. God said, basically study the Bible. Where did he say that while the first place is where the King was to copy the Torah to read everyday. Presumably, this is Deuteronomy. Deuteronomy 29. There's a covenant renewal ceremony where they read the entire Torah. And Deuteronomy 31 is a commandment by God to replicate what they did in Deuteronomy 29 once every 7 years.

And then the next place where we read about God, instructing us to study Torah. Actually, God doesn't do it. But Ezra Nehemiah Nehemiah an Indian, my 8s. Apparently reinstituted this practice of Covenant. Renewal they'd return from Babylon and an Ezra re institutes, the practices every 7 years.

And he says, right in this area.

Cry. Don't weep don't. Well. This is a day of feasting. This is a day of celebration for the joy of the Lord is your strength.

And I talked to years ago, this joy of the Lord. I think it's hot. I'm not sure. Anyway, it's only mention one of the time in the whole Bible and it's mentioned in the context of in the place where God is, is his Joy. God has Joy. It's not that you are. Joyful as Joyful, Joyful about. Well, I can tell you, he's joyful about his plan. He knows what the plan is. He defined it. And once he defined it, he's touched it. Nothing's going to change it. His plan is moving on. God has Joy about his plan and God has joy that you're involved in that. God has joy that you received. His son is Lord and Savior. That's the joy. That is your strength. It makes our father happy.

So, it does her instant Institute reinstituted this practice and it says the Levites provided meaning. So, is reads from the book and then there are a whole bunch of a Levites and they're listed and they provide meaning to the people, and this is a curious person. You go. What the heck does that mean? It means they might not have understood Hebrew very well because they've been in the land Left Behind when the leaders of Israel went into captivity for 70 years. And now the leaders have come back. And the priests of come back from Babylon and the reinstituting is practice. And yes, the reading and in Hebrew to honor the text, but the people don't understand what they're talkin about anyone in here, here Hebrew spoken, and not know what we're talkin about. So somebody whoever sitting up here, has a responsibility to what's the words here. What's the words provide meaning? We provide meaning and this might be in a reference to the ancient targums. They would translate the Bible into Aramaic and other languages and they call it the targums that they're called targums, which literally means translation. And yeah, but let me put it this way. There was a Bible called good news for the Modern Man. And any other person in my generation, remember this Bible is very popular. Very, very quick seller. Sold sold out everywhere. It went good news for Modern Man. The targums are the equivalent. They are good news for the modern era men.

Of the day, it's actually what it means and they and they aren't just a translation their translation with a little bit more explanation. That's what targums are. So you don't have to be afraid of targums anymore. They're not sticky. There. A wonderful thing that was done. Few more public recitations Jesus, as the Rich Young Ruler, or whatever. You want to call him. What is written? What should I do? You know, what is written? What is written? You, you study this all the time? What's written? And he repeats back to him. What was written. This is what was written and he goes, yeah, that's how do you read it? What's your understanding of this Jesus, as this of the Rich, Young Ruler? And then Luke, Luke for Jesus Nazareth sermon, we know that he must have read the Torah for the day. The seventh part of the tour for the day and he read the prophetic reading for the day and then he did a teaching and this is Jesus Nazareth sermon and it's public recitation and instruction on the word. So this is one way that we get Messianic understanding through the reading of different verses parallel vs. Torah prophets, Psalms an explanation acts, 13 actually gives an example of Paul of the reading of the Torah and the hafter reading followed by teaching words of encouragement, and then acts 15, where we shouldn't restrict these new Believers too hard. Because you know, after while they study, Moses every week, So those are public recitation. Prophetic readings. There aren't any prophetic reading specifically commanded by God, except. Okay, you could say that's a commandment by God, but God doesn't say you should read. Isaiah 53, done. Say that. Okay, so we're at the point of galoot, the Gale law and I thought I should add this in. It's a understanding in, in many cultures, Jewish cultures that that the Bible is a, is a galoot Exile and Gala Redemption mercy, so God sends them into Exile, and then brings them out and demonstrates mercy, and then they go into Exile, and then they come out and got shows the mercy, dilute, Exile and gave Allah Redemption, is this thing that's going on. So the prophetic books became increasingly significant as prophecies took place providing God's truth and action. These books took on great significance particularly during times of persecution, and I have three examples in the only probably have only heard of one of them. The Babylonian exile. Everyone's heard that one, right? Yeah. The Greek seleucid Exile anyone heard of that one. How was it? An exile?

The right? So this is a Jewish understanding and understanding the early church. The worst Exile you could have is an exile in your own country where you can't do what, you know, is right, true and good. That's the worst Exile you can have. So I call it the Greek, seleucid exile. The Greeks ruled they burn Torah Scrolls that made circumcision Sabbath observance punishable by death. They were exiled in their own country and The Maccabees rose up and

That's another entire sermon series and then there's the Roman Exile in the Roman Exile. We never heard of the Roman Exile. Well, you could say, what's after the destruction of the temple was wrong, that you're right. That is but the Roman axelle actually began. I would have to argue. Baby before Herod the Great. Because Rome Ruled the Land and they had to do what the Romans told them to do. And the early church grew up in this Exile in the Roman Exile. They grew up in this. Of persecution. And so, these prophetic readings. Messianic expectation grew expanded exploded during times of persecution. That's why. Jesus taught into a culture.

Praying for hoping, for expecting Messianic resolution of their problems. So there are no records of the first public recitation of the prophets, but it's theorize that such ratings began during one of these Exiles, the Babylonian, or the Greek. Somewhat in response to persecution. I don't think there's any argument on this. I've seen lots of arguments on when it was but I don't see any argument on. It's probably one of these two times. Early church developed during this. Messianic. Xid has expanded. So we got a reason for Messianic ideas already, right? Yeah. Well, they expanded. How could they expand Rob? Well, one scripture. God said, he'd make David's house aide, make David a house, any trees up. David's Offspring to build a house of God and God will establish the Throne of his kingdom forever. And then the second thing is inner biblical exegesis. And we do this pretty much every week. And this is is if you consider this the intensification of one verse by another verse 2nd, Samuel says your throne will be established forever. And Psalms 89 says, he'll establish your Offspring forever and build your throne for all generations. Now we could say he's saying the same thing. But he's saying a little bit more.

And now when you connect those two versus together, that's called inner biblical exegesis. These verses are tied and it's strictly the can't be removed. One another, once you've got this idea, the righteous Branch. I'll raise up David for a right for David, A righteous Branch to reign as king and offspring of David. You might say, If you take that verse Jeremiah 23, + the righteous one, my servant will make many to be accounted. Righteous. Will that sounds like Jesus Does? He'll bear their iniquities. Wow, that sounds like Jesus. That's Isaiah 53. So now we've connected. Jeremiah 23 with Isaiah 53. And if you haven't connected it yet, Zechariah definitely makes the connection. I'll bring my servant the branch. So when you begin studying scripture in the context of scripture, you begin to expand this idea. Messianic expectation and actually explodes in your head profits and Psalms following the tour, expands and expresses a davidic, covenant, particularly and hope. So in previous years. We've just done the Torah and the prophets and we've tried to bring in the New Testament readings, but this year we've really emphasized the foams. So if you're reading the Torah and the prophets and you're singing songs that relate in any way to the versus connecting. Now, you got a song that connects things and it's firmly entrenched in your head that these things are connected and our Messianic expectation expands even more.

Second Messianic, Hicks ideas expanded, so the masoretic text. He'll pour water from his buckets and his seed in many Waters. Now. That's a curious and weird verse admit. It's a literal translation into English of the masoretic text. The Septuagint says a man. He'll okay. He'll a man. Okay. He'll come forth a man will come forth from his seed. Okay, that's different. A man will come forth from his seed and Prevail over many people's. His seed will be poured into many Waters little bit different lxx. Definitely, Messianic.

No question, a man will come forth from his seed and Prevail over many peoples. Definitely Messianic the masoretic text wasn't and some stages of Israel today. Say well, you know what?

The lxx was taken eight hundred years before the masoretic text. From an earlier version of the Hebrew text. So, they make the argument that it's possible. That this minute Messianic expectation has been edited out to some degree of the masoretic text. Another one. It will surely come. It will not delay. He will surely come, he will not tarry habakkuk. Wider factors. The Ancients. Read texts, in light of all that was going on in their life. Do we read texts? And yes, we do everyday and that expands our understanding of everything that's going on and effective history As Time. Marches On, we tend to read as possible, promise of a better future. Messianic expectation and our own times. Where do we see the Lord's presence?

Do we see it only in the future?

No, do we see it here in the presence of the church? The Messiah. I think we do. Do we see it? Any other? I think we do. Do we see it in the body? I think we do. So he is risen. He is risen in US. Amen. And that concludes my lecture unless there are questions that I do okay on time. Close enough.

Getting hard again. Okay. I'm here to facilitate any of your questions or comments. If you'd raise your hand, I'll jet over to you. And so that everyone can hear you. I'll let you speak into the microphone and you can keep poking, the teacher and getting more out of him. I would like to see.

I would like someone we're going to record these but I'd like someone to write them down as well as kind of a volunteer to scratch notes. Thank you. Faithful. Don t r. Okay. I see that hand. Get us started.

I'll go and hold the mics. You have to worry about it. Okay, I think that our expectations are ever-evolving because of God's plan, which is ever evolving. But right now, we've gone through since 2020, which was a year of focusing. We think that maybe he's going to come and rescue us. In a way he will but he's going to rescue us our heart for the truth. Do you think this is what's going on? I say I've been with good Christian brothers and sisters who were near death. And they weren't sad. Or angry or frustrated. They were filled with the love and joy of the Lord because they knew he is. And and they don't need to be afraid of anything. I've I've seen people experience healing. But not physical healing. And the healing that they've experienced is, okay. I have to be in a wheelchair, the rest of my life in excruciating pain, but that doesn't take away my joy. Yes, I'd like to be physically healed, but God has healed me. I've heard this from from people who've been suffering. We want the physical healing. we want people not to die, but

Not in ways we ask or imagine. I mean, Jesus, Jesus. He doesn't have to live up to her expectations. He has his own that he lives up to. We can live in expectation, but we shouldn't put restrictions on what we expect him to do or be. Is that answer the question? Anyone else?

So you reference first usage, has priests in. Leviticus 4 and King in Deuteronomy, 17. And I I'm just wondering, is it, is it? So plain? Is it so clear? Among the ancient texts, whether it's a from the Torah, or the prophets or the the other writings that Messiah would be one character for multiple characters. I mean, I'm just considering write the lights who even though, they were also great students of the tax to believe that they would be too great. Messiah's two functions together, right? So that we don't believe that but they are as serious students came to that conclusion. What do you think is the right direction of a text actually point or Is it not as clear-cut mean, hilarious? This is hilarious.

Are there wasn't, there was a particularly with reference to Zechariah. They will look on him. The one they pierced and mourn for him as One Mourns, and only son and then the, the, the, the question on the sages. Is this Messiah ben-david? Or is this Messiah Ben Yosef? The Messiah son of Joseph and they're thinking Messiah son of Joseph. The son of Jacob. But when I read this in Jewish commentary, I go. Well Messiah Ben Yosef. Jesus father is Messiah ben-david. I mean, yeah, they're the same. It's a good question. So Messianic on candidates in Judaism. I decided not to include this slide. But thank you for asking a question. There were many false human was size. There were at least ten around the time of Christ and we have to reference in Acts 5. They Otis and Judas the Galilean in there saying you know these other false Messiahs Rose and Rome did them away. They did away with them in there. They're gone. They're false human the size. Then there's the Conquering King theory in the lot of Jewish texts. There's the suffering servant Theory and lot of Jewish text specifically, Isaiah 41, actually, through 53. We focus on Isaiah 53 and we think that's the suffering servant. And if you get into a discussion with this with Jews, still say, Israel's the suffering servant. But they're looking at the suffering servant as encompassing 41 through 53. Not just 53.

And call me the point. I'll probably over a year ago. Jesus is Jesus is Israel's representative. He is as real. To see Jesus as something other than his real is a lie. So in a sense, in a Christian sense, they're the same the suffering servant and the and Israel. So I've had this conversation with Joel and others but Joel is not going to budge on it at all. Exalted humans, Michael Heiser did an excellent lecture years ago. JC study sponsored it at

I want to see Far Hills at Apex at Apex and his second lecture covers this very well. Exalted humans ancient Jewish literature considered Adam as a possible exalted human Messiah. They considered Noah as a possible human Messiah. They considered Noah they considered and so on. I mean, there was a whole long list of them, exalted humans, then they have this long idea of different Angels, who may have been the Messiah and we have these Angel showing up throughout the Bible at times and you go Okay, that's God.

Abraham is is tied up, Isaac. Isaac is about to be sacrificed on Mariah on Mount Moriah and an angel stops him. So God, God, God told Abraham lift up your son and then an angel stops him. Now if God gave me a commandment, I knew it was God. And it, Angel shows up and says, don't do that. I would go. Who are you?

You're just an angel. But he doesn't do that. He goes, so Abraham knew this. Angel was. God or at least spoke with God's power and authority. He didn't question. So does a good argument that angels are going to be the Messiah and some cents and they are thus Messianic in other senses, the priesthood personified word of the Lord. So This idea of a word going for us and having its own unique. This somewhat separate from God. The father is kind of a Greco-Roman Corruption of the understanding. Philo was famous for this, this this personified log off. And that argument is made that John is referring to this personified. Log Us. In the beginning was the word and the Word was God the word. So that's a personified word. We got what? That's Jesus, ancient Jews might have thought. Okay. It's a personified word and there's a personified. Wisdom of the Lord are several chapters in in Proverbs wisdom is speaking. I was there. when God, created the heavens and the Earth wisdom says, And we go all that's Jesus. But we're, we're over laying around her standing in Biblical history. And in the, in the history of the writings. No, there's no single understanding and I can say that with absolute if they knew the truth.

Okay, I'll just set up.

Hold on, just a moment.

If I'm taking too long, I'll get all of this for you both. I think a simple and clear answer to Kyle's questions given an axe to like starting inverse 30th is talking about David. It says, therefore being a prophet and knowing that God, it's warm with an oath to him better than that of the fruit of his loins. According to the flesh. You would raise up the massager Christ to sit on his throne. He seeing us before. Spoke of the resurrection of Christ. That is so has not left in Hell. Neither did his flesh secret. So David saw that the one I was going to die and be resurrected was going to sit on the throne. So I think of David saw it, Abraham saw it in the other Prophet Saw 2 I agree, but some people didn't see it and they wrote other things.

I'll take one more music right now.

I was thinking that perhaps one of the bits of confusion is because there's two Cummings of Messiah. And so they think there's two Messiahs. Perhaps, they're seeing Snippets of him as the suffering servant and Snippets of him as the Conquering King. And instead of saying that as the same person, thinking there's two different ones. It's great to be a 21st century Christian, isn't it? Okay, so so there's two coming to Messiah. When did he come in your life?

I think there's more than two there. Two big historical times. But but that he's never stopped coming.

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