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When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Truth must triumph over tradition. We have got to get the place where it doesn’t matter if 100% of the church world believes something, if we can find in the Bible where it says something otherwise then the church world is wrong and God is right (Romans3:4) That is foremost in our study of the scripture. God is true everybody else is wrong.
One tradition that has been set out to be destroyed is the concept that you cannot understand the Godhead. That is the common misconception. That is not a scriptural philosophy. It is claimed to be understood because manmade concepts, philosophies, and traditions into the teaching of the Godhead which has caused it to be too complicating to understand. But if you take the scripture for face value not only is it possible, but it is expected that you will understand the Godhead.
The reason the Godhead seems incomprehensible to so many is because of the way that modern theology has defined God. Modern theology says that God is one in number but it three separate and distinct persons. This is called the doctrine of the Trinity. The Trinity is classically defined as three separate and distinct persons who are coequal coeternal, and coexistent. They go on to say that all persons God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost they are all three omnipotent, they are all three omnipresent, and that they are all three omniscient. That’s they way theology has defined God, but that’s not the way the Bible has defined God.
If there is anybody who could identify who God is, it would be Jesus Christ. And nowhere in His ministry did He say God is three persons. In fact He never said God is a person. But He did say in God is a Spirit. And so we have begun with a biblical definition of God. He’s not a person, but He’s a Spirit. As we’ve gone through the scripture we’ve found out that this one Spirit we call God is omnipresent, immortal, invisible, everlasting. The Bible says no man has seen God at any time in fact the Bible says no man can see God. God is invisible. God has taken on manifestation or a form, and people has seen those manifestations, but that have never seen God. That’s what the Bible says. Identified by Jesus Christ as the Father.
Jesus has a dual nature as a man born of Mary He was human. He grew. He got hungry, weary, He slept, He wept, He called Himself a man, He called Himself the Son of Man. He suffered, and He died. He was fully man and yet He was more than that. He was not fully man, but He was fully God. Jesus possessed two natures. in Him there was humanity and divinity. He was human and yet He was divine. And when we read about Him we did not see two persons, but we see two natures in one person. Having two natures He could act and speak from two different standpoints. He could talk as a man or He could talk as God. He could act as a man or He could act as GOd. When He came to this world humanity and deity were fused together. He assumed a human nature at His incarnation, yet He never ceased to be God. But now in addition to being everything He always was He became even more. For Jehovah God had assumed a human nature. So this really explains the Biblical concept of the Godhead fully and comprehensibly. If you can understand the dual nature of Jesus Christ. If you can understand that dwelling in Him was that omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent Spirit that we call God, and yet that Spirit took on a robe of flesh that we call the Son. We find there the real concept of the Godhead.
This Spirit that we call God the Father. When it came time to perform that act of paternity among Mary it was the Holy Ghost that performed that act, making the Holy Ghost the Father of Jesus Christ. And if the Father and the Holy Ghost are two people, then Jesus had two Father. But He did not have two Fathers. The only distinction between the Father and the Holy Ghost is in their role, not in their person. But both of those are term that refer to the Spirit that is eternal.
Jesus is the Father. Jesus identified Himself as the Father. calls Him the Father though He was the Son, He is called the everlasting Father. You have seen me you have seen the Father. I and the Father are one. We need to understand it is clear in scripture that Jesus is the Father. We also need to understand we see clearly in the scripture a distinction between Father and Son. Not in person, but in essence. The Father is the eternal invisible Spirit. The Son is the fleshly robe that is visible that the Father rook on. . That which was born of Mary is the Son of God. Jesus was not His own Father. We have humanity that was birthed through the act of paternity by divinity. The Spirit moved upon the womb of Mary and created a fleshly robe, and assumed that robe. God the Spirit was manifest in the flesh. The way we know the Spirit is by the way He revealed Himself in the flesh. They are not two separate persons. Flesh and Spirit make one person not two. His flesh the Son was not the Spirit the Father, yet they were not two persons. This is the dual nature. Jesus was the Son and the Father because He possessed both the flesh and the Spirit. There are not three persons in the Godhead, but there is one God. WE readily recognize three manifestations, three ways that He revealed Himself to humanity. He revealed Himself as the Father in creation, the Son in redemption, and as the Holy Ghost in regeneration. Not three persons in the Godhead. IN fact here is a major problem with the doctrine of the Trinity. They state that Jesus is the second person in the Godhead, but that’s not what the Bible says. The Bible does not call Him the second person, the Bible calls Him the alpha and omega the first and the last. The Bible does not identify Him as being the Godhead () The Godhead is in Jesus.
Brief teaching of what Trinitarians believe: They don’t believe in three Gods, they believe in one God that is three persons. “There is in the divine being but one indivisible essence in the one divine being there are three persons or individual substances. Father, Son, and Spirit. The whole undivided essence of God belongs equally to each of the three persons. The subsistence and operations of three persons in the divine being is marked by a certain definite order. There are certain personal attributes by which the three persons are distinguished. The church confesses to be a mystery beyond the comprehension of man. “ A definition from a Trinitarian website.
A website to help the lay person understand biblical doctrines “Christian Theologians have said deny the Trinity and you’ll lose your soul. Try to explain it and you’ll your mind. God says in His word Duet 29:29 The secrete things belong to the Lord our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our sons forever that we may observe all the words of this Law. There are some things about God we cannot understand on this side of heaven. As this verse states there are secretes that God shares with no one. The mystery of the Trinity is one of them. The Bible teaches us plainly that there is only one God of one essence from eternity past who is manifested in 3 individual experiences and choices are unique. This does not mean that these are three individual God’s, this means that there is One God of one essence is manifested in three individual persons. This sounds convoluted an complicated which is why they struck a sentence in the middle of it that says the mystery of the Trinity is one of those things that God shares with no one.
Any theologian that wants to explain to you the trinity must always couch his remarks by sayin g this is a mystery beyond comprehension. That’s the problem because that’s not what the Bible teaches about the Godhead. Clearly seen, understood by the things that are made even His eternal power and Godhead so that they are without excuse. Paul made it very clear that there is no excuse for not understanding the Godhead. If you’ve got to come up with a doctrine where the only way you can explain it is by saying you can’t explain it, then that’s not the biblical doctrine. There is an answer to this question and there is a clear setting in the scripture as to who God is. And the Bible does not define Him as three persons and yet one. The Bible identifies Him as one Spirit that became a person.
So there’s this confusing concept. This confusion becomes greater as you begin to research the scripture. Scriptures that are extremely problematic for the Trinity.
Who is the Father of Jesus Christ. Jesus plainly called God His Father. is one of those. When He called God the Father, yet says otherwise. It’s the Holy Ghost that’s going to impregnate her. Not a different person, but the Holy Ghost. If there’s two separate persons as His Father, and His real Father He never called Father. He only called the one who wasn’t His Father. The only other choice is that Father and Holy Ghost are two different titles for the same Spirit. And whether you call Him God the Father or you call Him the Holy Ghost you’re talking about the same being. You’re talking about the same one Spirit. Who is His Father if there are three separate persons?
The second problem is that if you believe the doctrine of the Trinity, that there are three different persons in the Godhead then we need to have two more Calvarys before we can really come into the New Testament Church.
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Now what are we in today? The new covenant.
For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Who established this new covenant? Trinitarians tell us that all three persons of the Godhead established the New Covenant but if they all three established the covenant, then all three would have to die in order for the covenant to be in effect. A covenant is, or a testament (the will of what is to go into effect after he passes). If the Father is the instigator of this New Testament or covenant, then the Father, if He’s a separate person from Jesus still has to die. We cannot come into the New Covenant until the Father dies. If the Holy Ghost is a separate person we cannot come into the New Covenant until the Holy Ghost dies. But if you understand that the one true God that is an omnipresent spirit assumed flesh because as a spirit He could not die. He wasn’t able to institute the covenant or the testament until He died. He couldn’t do it as a spirit. But what He could do is assume a fleshly body, not ceasing to be the God He always was, but taking upon Himself a human nature, and in that nature He goes to Calvary and He dies. The one true God, as a man He died and when He dies it was the beginning of the New Covenant in which we have entered.
(shield of Trinity) If you really believe there are three distinct, three separate and distinct person in the Godhead then how much did GOd the Father really love us?
Trinitarians teach that the Father loved you so much that He sent His Son, another person, to die for you. And then while His son is on the cross, the Father turned His back and would not look at His own Son as He died. The Father would not watch His own son in agony, but it was because He loved us so much He sent His son down to die for us. How much love is that? If this building were to catch on fire today and your child is in there with you and you two escape, but everyone is in there and you say I love those people so much I just can’t stand the thought that they’re going to die in the fire. I love them so much what am I going to do…you go get them…and that will prove you love, by sending your child while you stay there and by the way you can’t watch it. We aren’t being blasphemous but there is something tragically wrong with that picture of love. But you want to see real love let’s look to the scripture.
Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
Here’s how we know about God’s love because he (the antecedent…must be a word that tells you who he is…God is our antecedent) he laid down HIS life for us. The pronoun refers back to the antecedent God. Not that God that love us so much that He sent someone else to die but God loved us so much that He came to do the work. Now again God couldn’t do it as a spirit so God assumed that which He didn’t possess He took on a body that could die. He didn’t have to send somebody to do the work God said I’m coming down to do it. That’s how we know God loves us. Now that’s real love, when the God of Heaven said I love them enough I’m not going to let them go to hell, I’m going to give them a chance, I’m going to give them a way out. I myself am going down there. That’s why we understand this whole testament has been put into effect because God the one Spirit assumed this human flesh.
Heaven was not empty because the God of Glory became a man. He assumed human flesh and filled that body, but He filled the heavens at the same time. He never quit filing Heaven just because He took on a human body.
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
Jesus said no man has gone to Heaven except the one that came down from Heaven even the Son of Man which is in the Heaven, present tense right now as I stand here and talk to you, the Son of Man is in Heaven. I’m in Heaven right now while I’m talking to you on earth, I’m still in Heaven. He didn’t empty Heaven to come down here. He was there and He was here at the same time.
If you believe in three separate distinct persons, whom should we worship? Should we worship the Father, or the Son or the Holy Ghost, or all three?
They’ll teach you to worship all three. That’s not what the scripture says.
Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Worship whom? The Father. True worship whom? The Father…in spirit and in truth…Who seeketh such to worship Him? The Father is. If there are three separate and distinct persons, why doesn’t Jesus tell us to worship the Holy Ghost? Why doesn’t He say to worship God the Son? He tells us that true worshippers worship the Father. If you understand Father is the Spirit, the Son is the flesh we understand when we worship the Father we’re worshipping the only God there is.
If they are three separate distinct, coequal individual…then why is blasphemy against one unpardonable, but you can blaspheme the others without consequence...
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
All manner of sin and blasphemy…shall be forgiven, but when you blaspheme (to speak against)…so when you speak against all men you will be forgiven, but when you speak against the Holy Ghost you’re not going to be forgiven of that. In fact you can even blaspheme the Son and be forgiven…but you cannot be forgiven if you blaspheme the Holy Ghost.
ALa
I don’t know how you can read this passage and say they are all coequal because you can blaspheme the Son…and be forgiven but you can’t blaspheme the Holy Ghost and be forgiven. If they are two equal person then why does one get more respect than the other? I understand that the flesh was that which was born of Mary. He said you can blaspheme this flesh and get forgiveness for that. But if you ever blaspheme the Spirit that dwells inside of the flesh…then you’ve got problems. This is so clear and simple if you believe it as the Bible teaches.
Trinitarians teach three persons are coequal, coeternal, they have all existed for all time. They teach that all three are omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. First of all how can three separate distinct persons be omnipresent at the same time. How can two separate person be present everywhere at the same time? It can’t be done. That’s just logically impossible. Secondly, if the Father and the Son are coequal we need somebody to explain .
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
My Father is what? Greater. I thought they were coequal. I thought God the Father and God the Son were equal with one another…Jesus said my Father is greater than I am. When you understand the distinction between humanity and divinity, not as two separate persons, you understand that Jesus is speaking as a man and He’s saying the Spirit is greater than the flesh. That’s not a problem. But if you’ve got God the Father and God the Son coequal and Jesus said one’s greater than the other there’s no more coequality. They’re not equal with one another, the Father’s greater than the Son. And if you’ve got one person in God greater than another person is God…any way you look it up…you’ve got two Gods. But when you understand the dual nature of Jesus Christ and when you understand the humanity and divinity…humanity being the flesh, divinity being the fatherhood you comprehend that distinction…then you read a scripture like this…that says my Father is greater than I…you don’t have a problem.
See this is the very reason why Jesus said throughout the works of His ministry…I do not as myself but I do my Father which is in me…He doeth the works. It wasn’t God the Son performing miracles, it was Father in the Son performing miracles. He said it’s not my flesh doing this work but it’s the Spirit that dwells in me that’s the on that’s healing the sick and raising the dead and opening blinded eyes. it’s the spirit that dwells in this human body.
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
They teach that the Father and Son are coequal…and if they are equal then why does one know something that the other doesn’t know? If they are both persons omniscient…why does one know the day of the return and the other doesn’t know it. I understand Jesus talking as a man saying in my flesh I don’t know but the spirit in me knows. It’s not my flesh that’s got all this figured out, it’s the spirit that dwells inside this flesh...
You’ve just got one up there and His Name is Jesus. We knew Him as the Father before He ever came to this earth, but when He came to this earth He took on another role. He assumed a human body and that body bled and died for us to give us redemption that body was resurrected to give us power over the grave. Not a second person but the only God that’s ever been. The God I serve is great enough and powerful enough He doesn’t need two more people to help Him decide how to do things.
What happened at creation?
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
And God said let us make man in our image…after our likeness…People take us way back to and say when God created the world He said let US make man. This was the Trinity conversing with one another…let us…in our…First of all this is three persons in one God and we’re made in the image of the Trinity then why aren’t we three persons in one individual? Read the next verse…Because here is 26 He says let US make man after OUR likeness after OUR image, but after we see it take place what do we see?
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
God created man in HIS own image. When we see the actual creation taking place we don’t find any plural pronouns. The only time we see it taking place is in the spoken word, but not in the act itself. For centuries the Jewish people have been reading and have never seen a Trinity in that. They’ve never though twice about there being more than one. No matter how many plurals are used. That doesn’t through them for a loop. Now there has been argument among them on what it really refers to…one thing they’re sure of is that it does not mean there was more than on person creating. Some of them will say He was referring to the angels. The Bible des say that the angels, the Sons of God applauded His works as He created. We know they were there they were present, they saw it happening. The problem with that is we’re not created in the image of the angels and God is saying let us make man in OUR image. If He’s talking to the angels we’d have to be created in the image of angels.
But what many Jewish rabbis will tell you is that it is a majestic plural, not a numeric plural. The simplest way we could explain it to you is that if by chance we were to be visited today by chance we were to be visited today by the Queen of England. If she were to come up and greet you she would not say I am happy to be here but she would say we are pleased to be with you. We are honored to be in presence. She speaks on behalf of here entire kingdom. Of all of her majesty that is ascribed to her. It doesn’t mean there’s more than one queen, but the vastness of her kingdom requires more than singularity in her works. Some call it territorially plural. Doesn’t mean more than one in number. When God speaks…He speaks in such majesty and power that it takes more than singularity to really comprehend the magnitude of His glory.
In fact when they look at this word God…when they said God said…because the word God there is Elohim. Elohim is translated in the Bible as Gods. It is plural. And so they read here Elohim said let us make man and they will try to tell you that plurality in the word Elohim shows a plurality in number. But I’m telling you it was a plurality of His majesty. And it was commonly used of many deities. Not just Jehovah God. The false God Baal was called Elohim. In Beelzubub was called Elohim. And nobody says that Baal or Beelzubub was a trinity. But the word Elohim though is plural in it’s form, it is not always plural in it’s number. It only speaks of divinity that goes beyond divinity the concept of mere mortality.
In fact…Zachariah 11:12-13 shows prophesy of Jesus Christ where He is called Elohim. Jesus alone is called Elohim.
And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver. And the Lord said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the Lord.
They weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver…Now here we find a reference to Elohim saying He would be sold for thirty pieces of silver. Did they sell a Trinity for thirty pieces of silver? This was talking about the one diety in human form.
And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains;
For the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal:
Yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake
In the days of Uzziah king of Judah:
And the Lord my God shall come,
And all the saints with thee.
And the Lord my God or Jehovah my Elohim shall come and all the saints with thee. Who’s coming back with the saints? Is the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost coming back with the saints? And yet Elohim is used here in reference to whoever is coming back. But we know who’s coming back tells us.
To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
At the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all His saints. Who’s coming back with the saints? THe Lord Jesus Christ is. Who did Zechariah say was Jehovah our Elohim it was Lord Jesus Christ. The one who’s coming back with the saints. He was called Elohim. ANd yet nobody says Jesus is a Trinity. They say He’s part of a Trinity, but they don’t say He is a Trinity.
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem,
The spirit of grace and of supplications:
And they shall look upon me whom they have pierced,
And they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son,
And shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
And they all look upon me of whom they have pierced. Now look here is somebody speaking that says I am going to pour out on the house of David the spirit of grace and supplications and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced. Who is this? There’s no question, but if you go back to verse 1 let’s see who’s identified there...
The burden of the word of the Lord for Israel, saith the Lord,
Which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth,
And formeth the spirit of man within him.
Zechariah
Do you see the LORD there in capitals which means it comes from the Hebrew word Jehovah. The burden of the word of Jehovah for Israel…the one who stretched forth the heavens…that layeth the foundation of the earth and formeth the spirit of man within him…who was it that did all of this? It was Elohim…that the Trinitarians say that means the Trinity…they say that’s what Elohim means…the Trinity. So this is the burden of the Trinity. If this is the Trinity we come down to verse ten and it’s the Trinity that’s sold for thirty pieces of silver. That’s not the trinity it’s Jesus…that stretched forth the heavens, layeth the foundations and formeth the spirit of man. And He did alone. He is the Elohim of Genesis chapter 1.