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Seeing this question makes me sad. Sad because of all of the lives of young ones that are lost and the thoughts of uncertainty of where they go. Before I give you my thoughts and time on the subject I want you all to discuss with your group.
Is abortion allowed, biblically speaking?
Why would people want to do abortion?
Where do babies go when they die?
For some of you I have spoken on this before, but don’t worry this is a new sermon, and for me it still has the same answer. First, we have to ask the question what is eternal? There are only three things and I want you guys to tell me. What is eternal?
God
His Word
The Souls of Men and Women
There are also only two destinations that people can go.
1 Thessalonians 4:16–17 ESV
16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.
1 Thessalonians 4:1
2 Thessalonians 1:7–10 ESV
7 and to grant relief to you who are afflicted as well as to us, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels 8 in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might, 10 when he comes on that day to be glorified in his saints, and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed.
There are only two places you can go when you die and I desperately am pleading you all to consider the evidence that Christ was who he says he was so that I can see you in Heaven. As we talked about a last month, hell is an infinitely horrible place and heaven is and infinitely grand place. God is doing everything he can and he has placed all you need in front of you to believe and woo you to him. So before you think of ways you can try and disprove the gospel, the good news, next time something like this comes into your mind I challenge you to examine the evidence for Christianity.
Let’s tackle our first question. Is abortion allowed?

Abortion

What is abortion?
Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus. Embryo being an egg in a woman that has been fertilized. A fetus is just a more developed embryo usually considered a fetus two moths after the egg was fertilized.
Again it is the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus.
Is it okay? When is it okay? Let’s look at a couple verses and see what the Bible says.
Genesis 9:6 ESV
6 “Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image.
Genesis
Exodus 21:22–25 ESV
22 “When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman’s husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine. 23 But if there is harm, then you shall pay life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
Leviticus 18:21 ESV
21 You shall not give any of your children to offer them to Molech, and so profane the name of your God: I am the Lord.
Leviticus 20:1–9 ESV
1 The Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Say to the people of Israel, Any one of the people of Israel or of the strangers who sojourn in Israel who gives any of his children to Molech shall surely be put to death. The people of the land shall stone him with stones. 3 I myself will set my face against that man and will cut him off from among his people, because he has given one of his children to Molech, to make my sanctuary unclean and to profane my holy name. 4 And if the people of the land do at all close their eyes to that man when he gives one of his children to Molech, and do not put him to death, 5 then I will set my face against that man and against his clan and will cut them off from among their people, him and all who follow him in whoring after Molech. 6 “If a person turns to mediums and necromancers, whoring after them, I will set my face against that person and will cut him off from among his people. 7 Consecrate yourselves, therefore, and be holy, for I am the Lord your God. 8 Keep my statutes and do them; I am the Lord who sanctifies you. 9 For anyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death; he has cursed his father or his mother; his blood is upon him.
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Psalm 139:13–16 ESV
13 For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother’s womb. 14 I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well. 15 My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately woven in the depths of the earth. 16 Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them.
Ps 139:
Jeremiah 1:5 ESV
5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”
Matthew 6:26 ESV
26 Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they?
All of these passages point to the sanctity of life. They show that God will not tolerate taking a life. They show that you were created and made in the image of God. And destroying that would be the worse than burning a church. Both the church and you are made to be a monument of worship to God.
Some people say well you can abort the baby in the first little bit. you know before it has eyes and stuff. But when we look at as shown talking about Jeremiah’s calling it shows us that God knew him, and us transitively, before he even formed us in the womb.
Ephesians 2:10 ESV
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
Shows that we have a purpose which God created for us to do ahead of time so that we can walk in them. To intentionally kill any fertilized egg is to kill someone that God has given purpose to. To kill any fertilized egg is to not recognize that God knows us before we are formed in the womb.
Abortion is a selfish and evil act. It says that there is a person inside of me who is being formed that I am not willing to take care of when they get older so I will kill them. Abortion says that I don’t want my current way of life to change, I don’t want societies out look on me to change so I am going take the life away from this impregnated egg and live my life comfortably.
Guy’s don’t think this excludes you. If you ever force your wife or a woman you impregnate out of wedlock to commit abortion because you don’t want the responsibility of being a father then you are scum. Or if you leave that kid fatherless you are scum.
Additionally, Abortion can be completely avoided if you don’t give into societal pressures and don’t have sex before marriage. That is a sin.
Abortion is probably the most selfish act I can think about. Let me walk you through the reason why. We know that babies are made from sex. Abortion is saying that I want all of the pleasures of sex without the result that it is naturally intended to produce. It says I want to have fun but when responsibility comes I am out. It says that the you are willing to kill someone else so that your life is not inconvenienced in anyway Even though you participated in the act.
But, there is good news for those of you who may have done this. We are all scum. But, The Bible says not one of us is beyond redemption. There is even proof. Paul, who used to be Saul, used to murder Christians. He led the stoning of Stephen, but God turned his life around and redeemed him. Not only that he wrote 2/3 rds of the New Testament. Nobody is beyond redemption as long as they confess Jesus is Lord and repent of their old ways.
But what happens if the abortion does happen?
What happens if a baby dies unintentionally before being born?
What happens if a baby dies?
We know from my discussion before we started that when you die there is only two places you can go either heaven or Hell. The only way to get to heaven is never sin, which everyone besides Jesus has, or believe and receive Jesus as your Lord and savior. But, why do we sin. If we know it is bad why do we do it.

Sinful Nature

The consistent New Testament emphasis is upon the need for a second birth. This indicates our natural state is that of sin, not innocence. That we are by nature children of wrath.
John 3:1–12 ESV
1 Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher come from God, for no one can do these signs that you do unless God is with him.” 3 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” 4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” 5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.” 9 Nicodemus said to him, “How can these things be?” 10 Jesus answered him, “Are you the teacher of Israel and yet you do not understand these things? 11 Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know, and bear witness to what we have seen, but you do not receive our testimony. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how can you believe if I tell you heavenly things?
Ephesians 2:1–5 ESV
1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. 4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—
Ephesians 2:1-

Inherited Sin

Romans 5:12–21 ESV
12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned— 13 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. 14 Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come. 15 But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many. 16 And the free gift is not like the result of that one man’s sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification. 17 For if, because of one man’s trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ. 18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. 19 For as by the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous. 20 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, 21 so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
We also came into the world with Adams sin imputed or inherited to us. Because of our connection with Adam we are born guilty of His first sin.

Without Sin there is no Death

Romans 3:
Romans 5:13–14 ESV
13 for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. 14 Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.
Everybody knows that everyone dies physically, well eventually. We as Christians believe that death is a result of the original sin that was imputed to us and now we live in broken bodies, that eventually lead us to death. Even people, like infants can die that seemingly had no opportunity to transgress the law of God himself or herself because we are connected with the guild of Adam’s sin.

Predicament

We are all born under sin and salvation is by faith in Christ (which infants do not seem to have the mental capacity to exercise), then it might at first seem that no infant can be saved

Major Views

Some infants are saved, some are not-Westminister Confession of Faith
All infants are saved- Albert Mohler and John Piper
Infants might be saved if not baptized- Catholic Catechism
I could find no major view that believed all infants who die go to hell.

Passages that Make this a Debate

Psalm 22:9–10 ESV
9 Yet you are he who took me from the womb; you made me trust you at my mother’s breasts. 10 On you was I cast from my birth, and from my mother’s womb you have been my God.
Psalm 22:
Luke 1:15 ESV
15 for he will be great before the Lord. And he must not drink wine or strong drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb.
John the Baptist was mentioned as filled with the Holy Spirit from the womb…ie he was saved.
2 Samuel 12:15–23 ESV
15 Then Nathan went to his house. And the Lord afflicted the child that Uriah’s wife bore to David, and he became sick. 16 David therefore sought God on behalf of the child. And David fasted and went in and lay all night on the ground. 17 And the elders of his house stood beside him, to raise him from the ground, but he would not, nor did he eat food with them. 18 On the seventh day the child died. And the servants of David were afraid to tell him that the child was dead, for they said, “Behold, while the child was yet alive, we spoke to him, and he did not listen to us. How then can we say to him the child is dead? He may do himself some harm.” 19 But when David saw that his servants were whispering together, David understood that the child was dead. And David said to his servants, “Is the child dead?” They said, “He is dead.” 20 Then David arose from the earth and washed and anointed himself and changed his clothes. And he went into the house of the Lord and worshiped. He then went to his own house. And when he asked, they set food before him, and he ate. 21 Then his servants said to him, “What is this thing that you have done? You fasted and wept for the child while he was alive; but when the child died, you arose and ate food.” 22 He said, “While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept, for I said, ‘Who knows whether the Lord will be gracious to me, that the child may live?’ 23 But now he is dead. Why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he will not return to me.”
Psalm
David seems to believe that he will see his kid in heaven does this apply to all? we must keep in mind that the saving or regeneration of infants does not seem to always be the case. Keep in mind:
Psalm 58:3 ESV
3 The wicked are estranged from the womb; they go astray from birth, speaking lies.
John 9:41 ESV
41 Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no guilt; but now that you say, ‘We see,’ your guilt remains.
John
Romans 1:20 ESV
20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
Romans 1:18–20 ESV
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
Many theologians who hope for all babies to be saved lean on this passage. Those who have seen the creation of the world, even without access to the eastern world had access to seek God though nature so they are without excuse at judgement time. So what hopeful theologians like to do is imply that the unborn children have an excuse.
Like Piper one might be able to conclude that due to God’s mercy all unborn children are saved. But, to me this limits God to time and it does not show that our God can see what we would become if allowed to live and whom we would pull away from him. Thus, he may let us die as unsaved due to the fact that we would never choose Him anyway. So I choose to be inconclusive I agree that some infants are definitely saved, but I can not for sure say that they all are or they all are not.
Why do you think scripture was not completely clear when it comes to this intense topic?
I believe that some questions are better left as tentative or pending or unanswered but why?
“Imagine God gave a clear passage that said all infants who died before age, let’s say 5, would be saved. If that were the case some sick cult would have emerged that killed children before they reached the age of 5, in order to send them to heaved. Cults have been founded on much less.” —Christianity Today
I completely agree with this quote. Imagine that the only way you could guarantee your child into heaven would be to kill them. I know all parents, or at the very least me, would consider killing there kid. That would be a very biblical thought to have. You would prefer eternal guaranteed happiness for your kid in heaven then rather temporary happiness on earth with a potential of eternal torment.
I believe that God intentionally leaves some questions up for debate or unanswered because some questions are best answered with tentativeness rather than certainty.
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